It also isn’t part of the problem, because it allows people to use unfree software in a free environment, but it also isn’t a solution.

Having a free replacement for any unfree software is mor of a solution to me.

I won’t take part in anything which openly spreads christian faith (which for me is mainly characterized by oppression) into our community, as long as there aren’t really pressing reasons for doing so. Christian faith is discrimination and exclusion to me.

I don’t have a problem with some members of a community trying to spread their faith, but as soon as the whole community dedicates itself to only one faith, I’m out.

That was the point I was trying to make. I’m not pissed off really but I’m just trying to get threw. Now that I know I can’t get threw to Jay I won’t try because it will just make things worse. It’s just too bad innocent people get caught in the cross fire.

In our small developing community we basically have next to no rules that would exclude anyone. People that have been kicked out of different communities like the PCLinuxOS forums have came to our quiet little corner of the internet for support. Some claim they have been rejected because they can’t spell very good. Others just say there is no method or madness to it. I don’t care because everyone is forgiven when they enter my forum unless they try to make people mad.

One of the greatest obsticals I face is being a Christian. A lot of trollers discriminate against me and attack me for my faith. You might ask why I don’t just take it off my site? Simple. Freedom of expression and because it’s part of my religion and morals to spread the word of Jesus Christ. Richard Stallman was kind enough to help me with that too. He is very wise. He told me to set up an FAQ that answered people’s questions and it would stop and so it did.

I’m taking a great risk by stepping out again and trying to educate people about the exclusion and devision in the GNU/Linux community that we want to ignore.

Ubuntu LoCo is a federation if you will that wants a (Ubuntu LUG) Ubuntu LoCo in every state and then wants sub locos under that state loco. I was very interested in this idea but when exclusion was part of it I was not. In the public forums they deny this but in their mailing list anything goes. I don’t know if they have changed and I don’t care if they have. Basically I’m paying attention to what communities reject innocent people and I’m boycotting their distros. Why do you think I only work with Linux Mint? There the only ones that have embraced me and my friends without shunning us.

If you look at what *I* wrote, you’ll see I did never say “Your distro is bad” or anything similar.

I just said: “Your advertising is a good deal too blunt.”

Why do you jump at people who say things intended to offend you?

Or to put it differently: Why didn’t you react to my post with backup information, why Ultumix is good and where it helps to convert people, cutting out the advertising language so it can be read as information?

I see that you’re pissed off by Ubuntu (I don’t like the “one distro to find them, one distro to …” mindset (you told about) either, but I doubt that all Ubuntu people have it. I’m not active in Ubuntu, so I don’t know much about the internals (I don’t even know what LoCo means - I assume Local Coordinators or so), I just installed it for my wife, because my Gentoo might be a bit too much for her).

You’re pissed, and that’s OK. I think if I had walked your way, I might be pissed, too. But it doesn’t help you spread your Distro to other people.

Get a grip on your emotions - get a sandbag and hit it when you’re just a bit too pissed (I do that from time to time, and unless you tested it yourself, it might be hard for you to see how very good it feels to just let out the anger at that 15kg sandbag). But stop, before your knuckles bleed

And I know I sound like a pseudo-wise great grandfather now. That isn’t intentional. I’m learnign my way in life myself, and I might just be wrong about it (and also about anything else I think I know), but I write it anyway, because I made some errors myself, and I want to help others not to walk into the same trap. And if what I see right now is only a necessary transition to even better ways to live, then I can at least help others reach that transition with less harship than I had.

As for Ubuntu I think they need to get a handle on the animal that is LoCo before it gets out of control and undermines them.

I switched to PCLinuxOS. PCLinuxOS got mad at me understandably because I made a mistake and accidentally put win32 codecs in my distro. They also got mad at me for using libdvd. I’m not sure why. So I cut that out and still they were mad.

Here is a present day Fact as of today. PCLinuxOS 2008 HE…
Includes: Wine, w32codecs, dvd playback, ntfs,…

Wait a second! Something does not add up. Fuzzy math.

Before I left PCLinuxOS completely and gave up on their community they told me they had come up with rules on how someone could make an OS without going threw what I went threw. Part of those rules was not using Illegal codecs. They are announcing that they are using them!

Now one more really good point to make after stating all of this is that Your going to hurt a lot of new Linux converts by getting them mixed up in all of this. They enter forums and IRCs and get caught in the cross fire of this. Not to mention how bad it makes the GNU/Linux community look as a hole. Richard Stallman does not like this. I have e-mailed him personally and we talk back and forth. He does not like any of this.

So do try to knock it off. It does not matter who is right or wrong here.

You used childish foul language such as crapy in your post. I’m sorry but that does not help anything. I don’t need to explain myself. My goal is to help people and yes I want to make people happy and not step on toes but when I’m not doing anything wrong I stop caring if it means I have to sacrifice a good product. Richard Stallman and me don’t agree on the use of Adobe flash player and other things but thats ok. We still get along. Linus does not agree with him either but they get along.

GROW UP for the sake of the new Linux converts.